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Ep 109 – The power of agentic AI with Appledore Research (John Abraham)

This week’s guest

John Abraham

Principal Analyst & Digital Enablement Practice Leader Appledore Research

The telco industry is in the midst of a GenAI revolution, with vendors and operators racing to integrate this technology into their products and services. But with all the buzz around AI capabilities, how can telcos tell which solutions can deliver real business value, and which are just marketing hype?

For this episode, I sit down with John Abraham, principal analyst and leader of the digital enablement practice at Appledore Research. We dive into how operators can identify true AI innovation, trends in BSS, and how telcos can start to address vendor interoperability challenges. Listen now to hear:

  • The definition of agentic AI [04:50];
  • Questions to ask to determine which vendors have great AI product visions [07:52];
  • The huge problem vendor interoperability presents to telcos [11:06]; and
  • How Totogi solves the interoperability problem—and DR shares Totogi’s AI vision for BSS [13:52].

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Guest bio

With over 16 years’ experience in the telecom industry, John Abraham is a principal analyst at Appledore Research and leads the digital enablement practice. Previously, he was at Analysys Mason for 11 years, where he led the Digital Experience research segment as Principal Analyst. He has experience working with a varied client base on topics including digitization benchmarking and procurement for CSPs; strategy and go-to market for vendors; and commercial and technical due diligence for financial institutions. Earlier, as a consultant at a BSS vendor, he led requirements gathering, solution definition, and implementation at multiple tier-1 telcos in Asia and Europe. John holds a bachelor’s degree in computer science from Anna University (India) and an MBA from Bradford University School of Management (UK).


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Frequently Asked Questions

1. What is agentic AI and how is it different from traditional AI?

Agentic AI represents a significant evolution beyond traditional AI systems. According to industry analyst John Abraham, it has two distinct capabilities: reasoning and action. Unlike earlier AI that simply generated content or identified patterns, agentic AI can actually stop to think and reason through problems. It shifts from copilot to autopilot mode, meaning it can handle tasks autonomously without requiring human intervention. These systems are highly proactive rather than reactive, and they can operate in dynamic, multivariable environments by generating their own code or designing alternative paths when conditions change. Essentially, agentic AI thinks and acts more like a human.

2. What are the main topics expected at MWC 2025?

Three major topics will dominate MWC 2025 according to Appledore Research. First, enterprise solutions are gaining focus as operators seek new revenue growth and need frameworks to solve the order-to-cash puzzle. Second, monetization through API exposure and network assets is attracting significant investment, with particular attention on charging functions and billing modernization. Third, agentic AI will be everywhere—expect to see it “splattered all over the show floor” as vendors unveil their AI agent strategies. The shift toward AI-native systems and outcome-based pricing models represents a fundamental transformation in how telco software is developed and sold.

3. How does Danielle Rios and Totogi’s BSS Magic solve the vendor interoperability problem?

Totogi’s BSS Magic is an AI platform built on TM Forum’s open digital architecture and APIs that makes an entire telco stack work as one unified system. Unlike proprietary vendor solutions where AI agents only work within their own systems, BSS Magic creates an AI-powered universal translator that understands all vendor systems. It recognizes when different systems use different terminology for the same concept and translates seamlessly. Because it’s built on industry standards rather than proprietary protocols, it works with any vendor systems, eliminating vendor lock-in. Totogi is already using BSS Magic in deployments, and recently helped a North American operator replace a $250,000 billing system with AI-generated code at essentially no cost.

4. How much do telcos spend on integration and customization versus innovation?

Research shows telcos spend approximately 80% of their IT budget on integration and customization, leaving only 20% for innovation. For monetization systems specifically, Appledore Research found that around 70% of spending goes toward maintaining legacy systems that don’t have a future. This creates three fundamental problems: expensive initial setup with customized interfaces, ongoing maintenance headaches when vendors upgrade software out of sync, and changed operator behavior where they add adjunct systems rather than properly integrating new capabilities. This accumulation of siloed systems makes it nearly impossible to adopt new technologies like AI effectively.

5. What questions should telcos ask vendors claiming to have agentic AI solutions?

Telcos should look for two critical elements when evaluating vendor AI claims. First, vendors must have a framework with AI at the center—what’s called “AI native”—rather than AI bolted onto the side of existing systems. The AI must be fundamental to how the system operates, not an add-on feature. Second, leading-edge vendors should be moving toward outcome-based pricing, shifting from software-as-a-service to service-as-a-software models. Read the article from Sequoia Capital about this evolution. This pricing approach demonstrates vendor confidence that their agentic AI can actually deliver results autonomously without constant human intervention.

6. What makes Totogi’s approach to BSS different from other vendors at MWC?

While other major vendors like Amdocs are building AI agents that work only within their proprietary systems, Totogi takes a fundamentally different approach with BSS Magic. Rather than creating another vendor lock-in situation, Totogi built an intelligent layer on top of TM Forum open standards that works with any vendor systems. This means operators don’t need 15 different proprietary AI agents siloed in individual vendor systems—they need one intelligent layer that understands their business and makes everything work together. Watch Danielle Rios’s talk, “Building an AI-first telco,” from the Gen AI Summit at MWC25.